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Continue to ChatManagers who don't lead are quite discouraging, but leaders who don't manage don't know what's going on. It's a phony separation that people are making between the two. - Henry Mintzberg from https://whatsmyquote.com/quote/managers-who-don-t-lead-are-quite-discouraging-but-leaders-who-don-t-manage-don-t-know-what-s-going-on-it-s-a