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Continue to ChatI call the notion that we are nothing but killer apes the Beethoven fallacy. Beethoven was disorganized and messy, and yet his music is the epitome of order. - Frans de Waal from https://whatsmyquote.com/quote/i-call-the-notion-that-we-are-nothing-but-killer-apes-the-beethoven-fallacy-beethoven-was-disorganized-and